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The Dark Shadow
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As so far as I noticed almost everyone who is playing video games is lying about the fact that "Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself". Also, They are always trying to encourage others to be also game addicted therefore they are game addicted. I'm especially talking about the CS2D community. What's the point with encouraging others to be game addicted therefore you're game addicted, Why are people trying that? Just because you're game addicted and can't stop doing that you want others also to be like you? It's been the same story as the drugging and cigarettes story.

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Why do people like you try to ruin communities which are already on their downfall?
There is quite a gap between being game addicted and playing games.
No one asked you to be addicted, in fact being addicted is something only you're in control of.
But whatever, I'm sure this is just a bot post anyways.

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Uhm, you definitely not understand things here.

First of all, we are not forcing anyone to play CS2D, we simply suggesting others to try it, because it is fun. Past proven that already.

Second of all, not everyone is addicted to gaming, some people play a lot because they want to lose stress (and I am talking about singleplayer games now, where you don't really get more stress by playing) You know usually when you work for someone and is an asshole or you have a hard job, you get stress, you might have no family or even if you do they don't support you, etc. Many cases can happen, not everything is the same as for you. Look from other perspective as well.

Just because someone's hobby is playing video games, that does not mean he is addicted to it.

You might into sport or drawing, or party or chess, whatever it is, you do like that, you spend probably more time into it then others. So that makes you addicted to it?

First learn how life works, then say such a things.

Most problems of alcohol, drugs, etc are not about controlling anyways, if you don't have the support to lose stress and shits going on, you can't do shit, because they are the only thing that actually helps.

Keep in mind, I don't suffer in any of these, I just understand people.

So yes, @user Mami Tomoe: was right, stop ruining communities, I know you might wanted to start a thread about something to talk to, but this was more like a negative or provocative one instead of something nice.

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Gaming Addiction is horrible! I am a gamer and I would never want people to be addicted to it. But gaming is not always an addiction. Most gamers are not addicted. Gaming is a hobby, just like playing an instrument, jogging, watching movies or gardening. Why do you think that "Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself"? There have been multiple scientific studies about benefits of gaming (each word is a link). Of course there are also studies showing issues like the ones you have mentioned (addiction, loneliness etc), but those exist in every hobby that exists. You can get addicted to running. You can get addicted to playing football. You can get addicted to meeting friends. Addiction is a serious topic, but it has nothing to do specifically with gaming.

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@user Mami Tomoe: It's pathetic to fall on your intelligence quotient, I don't even want to answer you but whatever.

user Mami Tomoe has written
Why do people like you try to ruin communities which are already on their downfall?

How am I ruining communities? No, I am not. All I'm doing is exploring my feelings and truths out.
user Mami Tomoe has written
There is quite a gap between being game addicted and playing games.

Firstly we're talking about video games not other games like football or whatever. We're mostly talking about game addiction and a little playing games so what's the point with what you've just said?
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But whatever, I'm sure this is just a bot post anyways.
It's not a bot post, I am human and you clearly know that so what's the point with that again?

user Marcell has written
Uhm, you definitely not understand things here.
That's not true, I actually do even usually at all only sometimes not at all.
user Marcell has written
First of all, we are not forcing anyone to play CS2D, we simply suggesting others to try it, because it is fun. Past proven that already.
You probably are not forcing anyone to play CS2D, but most of the others do. Also, It's really a bad idea to suggest others to try it, It's like suggesting others to try drugs. Well, that's true It's fun but It's harmful in some ways.
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Second of all, not everyone is addicted to gaming, some people play a lot because they want to lose stress (and I am talking about singleplayer games now, where you don't really get more stress by playing) You know usually when you work for someone and is an asshole or you have a hard job, you get stress, you might have no family or even if you do they don't support you, etc. Many cases can happen, not everything is the same as for you. Look from other perspective as well.
Again, You talking about the advantages, not the disadvantages. That's not even true at all, Most video games even stress you and don't destress you, only some video games destress you but again you should check back on the disadvantages. You always should be choosing your health rather than having fun.
user Marcell has written
Just because someone's hobby is playing video games, that does not mean he is addicted to it.
Well, I never said playing games even for a little is game addiction.
user Marcell has written
You might into sport or drawing, or party or chess, whatever it is, you do like that, you spend probably more time into it then others. So that makes you addicted to it?
Here, We're talking about video games, not sports or whatever. Even sports are usually recommended for most people's health and other stuff even though If you become sport addicted It's better. Being video games addicted is bad, We're not talking about other games which even though most of them are good.
user Marcell has written
First learn how life works, then say such a things.
There is nobody in the world who knows how life really works, We're all learning about it till we die. I'm enough experienced in life, That's enough to say such things. You had to tell it yourself not me, sir. Here, an advice for you Think clearly and make sure you're right before judging others.
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Most problems of alcohol, drugs, etc are not about controlling anyways, if you don't have the support to lose stress and shits going on, you can't do shit, because they are the only thing that actually helps.
What? Completely incorrect in all aspects. Drugs only make you half-conscious, causes memory-losing, etc. That doesn't even help you to fight stress. You look like someone who actually doesn't know much about life. There are multiple scientific studies about that. It's bad for almost everything.
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Keep in mind, I don't suffer in any of these, I just understand people.
You actually didn't understand me at all, Just saying.
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So yes, @user Mami Tomoe: was right, stop ruining communities, I know you might wanted to start a thread about something to talk to, but this was more like a negative or provocative one instead of something nice.
I am not, I don't have to answer it two times at a post, You can find the answer above.

user ohaz has written
Gaming is a hobby, just like playing an instrument, jogging, watching movies or gardening.
Well, That's true from the hobby aspect they're all the same. But firstly, Note that we're talking about video games, not gaming globally. Secondly, You can't compare video games with instruments, jogging, watching movies, or gardening. There is a huge difference between them. They have many benefits only some disadvantages but playing video games has only some benefits and a lot of disadvantages. Just an example: A doctor may advise you to be walking, singing and dancing, etc for treating disorders and preventing but have you ever heard a doctor telling you to go play video games? No, indeed.

user ohaz has written
Why do you think that "Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself"? There have been multiple scientific studies about benefits of gaming (each word is a link).
Firstly, I didn't really have time to read these links at now, But I agree that playing video games has some benefits. But as I mentioned before It has more disadvantages than its benefits so basically It's like drugs.

user ohaz has written
Addiction is a serious topic
Most of the times, It is but sometimes not.

They are all just my opinions, please don't take them wrong. If you can prove me wrong then you can do that without being hesitated. Thanks for all your replies, I'm appreciating them as much as I can
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Gaming is a hobby, just like playing an instrument, jogging, watching movies or gardening.
Well, That's true from the hobby aspect they're all the same. But firstly, Note that we're talking about video games, not gaming globally. Secondly, You can't compare video games with instruments, jogging, watching movies, or gardening. There is a huge difference between them. They have many benefits only some disadvantages but playing video games has only some benefits and a lot of disadvantages. Just an example: A doctor may advise you to be walking, singing and dancing, etc for treating disorders and preventing but have you ever heard a doctor telling you to go play video games? No, indeed.
I know that you don't want to read all the papers I've sent you, but if you did, you'd know that your last argument is just plain incorrect. Yes, doctors HAVE ordered people to play video games. Video Games can be used to train your Hippocampal-Associated Memory, they can be used to train attention (good for people suffering of ADHD). Video games have been used as a way to provide psychological therapy. It helped dyslexic children learn to read.
Just because a doctor has not told you specifically to game, doesn't mean that it is not happening. It is. The only reason why it's not as widespread or well-known is that video games are a super new phenomenon (widespread gaming has started some time in the last 20 years) and there have not been as many medicinal studies about it. But they are getting there. The studies are getting more and more and most of them show success. The actual usage of the solutions found in studies usually lags a few years behind, so within the next 5-10 years you may see thousands of people being treated using video games.

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It is the internet where we all hide behind our usernames - therefore you cant expect people to behave "normally".
Of course people will try to abuse you as much as possible - because there are no social consequences what so ever. It is a pitty that you are not able to completly ignore that - the most important skill that you need when surfing the world-wide-web.

If you compare video games with drugs then happy birthday - in my country at the very least half of the people smoke, drink beer, drink coffee or take drugs or play video games or do atleast 2 of these things. If playing video games is a drug, then driving fast is also a drug. Because there are more disadvantages than advantages.
With that in mind, its hard to even think of an activity that is not a drug.

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"Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself"
Even if thats the case: Thanks to CounterStrike2D I still learned using a forum, a computer and even learned how to code programs. Thats top-notch knowledge to have especially when solving logical puzzles, math equasions etc.
I also learned a lot of english through playing video games. Nowadays I prefer using english ressources.
So maybe my benefits are higher than the disadvantages.

Every drug can be a good thing if you handle it properly (at least thats my opinion - and I´m definitely not an expert).
For example cannabis: Smoking it every day is bad obviously. But if you smoke it on a very rare moment together with friends on a campfire on a place you never have been before then it can create unique moments that you will never forget and also strengthes your friendship.

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Well first of all not everyone who plays videogames is automatically addicted, on the other hand a lot of people who think they arent actually are. This "i can stop whenever but i dont want to" is a first start. it really is important to set a time. if you do more than 2hrs per day on average and the idea of skipping for one day is kind of hard, you should rethink. Here is a study saying the addiction affects about 10% of the gamers.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200513143803.htm

maybe it isnt as horrible as most people think. but you need to watch out anyways. you dont wanna be in the 10 % group

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If you compare video games with drugs then happy birthday
Actually basically I do therefore they are comparable.
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If playing video games is a drug
I never said playing video games is a drug, I only said "Basically playing video games is like taking drugs".
user Bowlinghead has written
If playing video games is a drug, then driving fast is also a drug. Because there are more disadvantages than advantages.
With that in mind, its hard to even think of an activity that is not a drug.
Well yes, Driving fast is also basically like taking drugs. They are the facts.
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"Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself"
Even if thats the case: Thanks to CounterStrike2D I still learned using a forum, a computer and even learned how to code programs. Thats top-notch knowledge to have especially when solving logical puzzles, math equasions etc.
I also learned a lot of english through playing video games. Nowadays I prefer using english ressources.
So maybe my benefits are higher than the disadvantages.
So, you learned them after almost a decade from CS2D but if you were doing better things rather than playing CS2D you would already be much smarter, more knowledgable, and know much more than how much you currently know. So again no, Your disadvantages are more than your benefits at that point.
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Every drug can be a good thing if you handle it properly (at least thats my opinion - and I´m definitely not an expert).
It is completely incorrect, Most of the drugs are harmful, only some drugs can be a good thing if they are used at the right time and if you take them in the right way.
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For example cannabis: Smoking it every day is bad obviously.
If you take drugs every day or once per week or even once in your entire life you have already hurt yourself your health is calling you out, But the less you take it the less you hurt yourself.
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For example cannabis: Smoking it every day is bad obviously. But if you smoke it on a very rare moment together with friends on a campfire on a place you never have been before then it can create unique moments that you will never forget and also strengthes your friendship.
That's true that you might have unique moments after taking it, But why are you still talking about its advantages and not its disadvantages? Let's also talk about some of its disadvantages as how we talked about its advantages. Drugs generally work by interacting with receptors on the surface of cells or enzymes (which regulate the rate of chemical reactions) within cells. Receptor and enzyme molecules have a specific three-dimensional structure which allows only substances that fit precisely to attach to it. Drugs undergo four stages within the body: absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion. After a drug is administered, it is absorbed into the bloodstream. The circulatory system then distributes the drug throughout the body. Then it is metabolized by the body. Some effects of drugs include health consequences that are long-lasting and permanent. They can even continue after a person has stopped taking the substance. There are a few ways a person can take drugs, including injection, inhalation, and ingestion. The effects of the drug on the body can depend on how the drug is delivered. For example, the injection of drugs directly into the bloodstream has an immediate impact, while ingestion has a delayed effect. But all misused drugs affect the brain. They cause large amounts of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that helps regulate our emotions, motivation, and feelings of pleasure, to flood the brain and produce a “high.” Eventually, drugs can change how the brain works and interfere with a person’s ability to make choices, leading to intense cravings and compulsive drug use. Over time, this behavior can turn into a substance dependency or drug addiction. People suffering from drug and alcohol addiction also have a higher risk of unintentional injuries, accidents, and domestic violence incidents. Substance use disorders are associated with a wide range of short- and long-term health effects. They can vary depending on the type of drug, how much and how often it’s taken, and the person’s general health. Overall, the effects of drug abuse and dependence can be far-reaching. They can impact almost every organ in the human body. Side effects of drugs may include: A weakened immune system. Increasing the risk of illness and infection. Heart conditions ranging from abnormal heart rates to heart attacks and collapsed veins and blood vessel infections from injected drugs. Nausea and abdominal pain, which can also lead to changes in appetite and weight loss. Increased strain on the liver, which puts the person at risk of significant liver damage or liver failure. Seizures, stroke, mental confusion, and brain damage. Lung disease. Problems with memory, attention, and decision-making, which make daily living more difficult. Global effects of drugs on the body, such as breast development in men and increases in body temperature, which can lead to other health problems. Paranoia, Aggressiveness, Hallucinations, Addiction, Impaired Judgment, Impulsiveness, Loss of Self-Control...And so many more I can't even count them. Also, Indeed there are drugs that are getting used for medical purposes and other good purposes. They also have disadvantages but the benefits are much more valuable than their disadvantages.

This is How You Think: With that in your mind, you are choosing a kind of fun (that you can't have normally without taking drugs) over your health and life.

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My Respond to user ohaz

I'm sorry but I can reply to only one person in a day so I will reply to you and tell my opinions tomorrow by either editing this post or creating a new post. Also, Thanks for your reply! I'm not gonna lie I learned from it.

Thanks for taking your time!
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@user The Dark Shadow:
Yes indeed, CS2D let me learn stuff quite inefficient. But - you know - I was quite young and if any old man came to me and would have said: "Instead of playing and scripting for CS2D, you could read this completly boring book, thats way more efficient for being successful in life." Then I would not have read that. The real question is: Why did I like CS2D more than boring books?

I understand that only some drugs can be used in a good way effectivly - but as you say in the right time with the right conditions. And I say we just didnt figure out how to handle those bad drugs for good things.

Sorry, but you just copied and pasted some generic text about how drugs work. I did read it and also agree as I learned similiar things in school but in my eyes it was unnessecary.
You often argue that drugs/games (which I refer to addictions now because you agreed with me on the driving fast part) are harmful for the body. But nothing in life is perfect therefore you will never have a perfect health or life. You sound like: if you dont take drugs then you live healthy but that is also wrong (because you need to do sports, etc).
Of course you should focus on being healthy, but dont be too oppressive with that. Similiar to perfectionism, etc if that is the only thing you think about, then that is unhealthy for your brain because you try to be someone you never will be. You will never get a perfect life - there will be always moments of stress and bad luck. Also you should never forget: You wont live forever! There is almost no point in living healthy when you die with middle age by a car accident.
My conclusion: You miss out on something when taking drugs, but you also miss out on something when not taking drugs.
In this case, with drugs I mean the substances and not the addiction.
Being addicted is really bad especially if you are unaware and lie to yourself that you aint.
But that is the point: Being self-aware is very important in life. Knowing how you feel and what you want and what you need. Drugs did help me to become more self-aware and more critical of what others try to tell me/sell me.

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This is How You Think: With that in your mind, you are choosing a kind of fun (that you can't have normally without taking drugs) over your health and life.

I agree. Having fun is one part of my live. As disgused previously taking drugs to have fun is similiary like having a dangerous hobby like driving fast or bungee-jumping (when it ends to an addiction).
And drugs are kinda cheating - like the easy way to get satisfaction with certain long-term disadvantages. But many modern western entertainment technologies are comparable. Smartphones or social media (everyone is connected || people isolate themself), factory farming (even poor people are able to eat meat || pigs live in bad circumstances and also the meat is filled up with medicial supplies), cinemas/movies (people can easily enjoy a great story || people forget their creativity usually build up by reading books), plastic products (you can create them easy and cheap || environment does change in a bad way).
These are just examples and please build up your own opinion to these topics - these are just hints to show you that many things do have up- and downsides.
All those easy ways of "earning fun" are kinda cheating and their good and bad effects will nullify themself in the best case.
But everyone is addicted, thats why you give childs candy when they did something good (the child is addicted to attention from its parents)
Find the right thing to do for yourself and create your own opinions. Being happy with yourself and your life style is the most important.

Actually I read over this 3 times and I cant present my opinion any more structured. There are also things I need to rethink about, especially drugs vs. addiction. Thanks for thanking for taking time.

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I noticed almost everyone who is playing video games is lying about the fact that "Playing video games is nothing more than hurting yourself".

We, people, are bad at self-awareness. Most don't have it at all, user Bowlinghead already mentioned this term.

Compared to social networks, games are:
• multiplayer, a social activity (social networks ARE NOT anymore)
• relieve stress
• require more brain and physical activity than TV

There are worse addictions around, imho.

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Video Games can be used to train your Hippocampal-Associated Memory, they can be used to train attention (good for people suffering of ADHD). Video games have been used as a way to provide psychological therapy. It helped dyslexic children learn to read.
That's completely true, Gaming can also improve eye-hand coordination, may foster positive social interactions, and many more. But there are so many other things made in a fun and entertaining way that is getting used for similar purposes even more efficiently not even only that they will also improve your other brain parts. They don't even have bad side effects as much as playing video games: looking at a screen, sitting on a chair, bending, etc.
user ohaz has written
The only reason why it's not as widespread or well-known is that video games are a super new phenomenon (widespread gaming has started some time in the last 20 years) and there have not been as many medicinal studies about it. But they are getting there. The studies are getting more and more and most of them show success. The actual usage of the solutions found in studies usually lags a few years behind, so within the next 5-10 years you may see thousands of people being treated using video games.
That's one of the reasons, but that's not the only reason. Actually, Except who is playing video games already, more than several people already know what video games are, But they don't play them. One of the reasons why they don't play them is because they have many disadvantages and only some advantages which mean they don't worth being played at all. As I mentioned above there are many other games that are getting used for similar purposes even they are more efficient but unfortunately, only some of these people play them instead of playing video games.

user Masea has written
I can game for 6 hours straight.
In the future, you will see what will happen to you, You might not even be able to play video games at all.

A Very Short Story of My Life: I started playing video games when I was only around 3-4 years old, When I got older I started playing video games 5+ hours straight in a day, So after many years of doing that I felt what happened to me, At that time I couldn't even play video games just for a few minutes I started having cancers, heart disease, very slow bowel, even many diseases, a lot of underlying conditions, and so many more shits just as a preteen. So I started with stop playing video games and stopped sitting on a chair for hours, creating a schedule for my life, managing my time, managing workout, and managing diet after that I didn't even need treatment at all I could treat more than most of them naturally.

user Bowlinghead has written
Yes indeed, CS2D let me learn stuff quite inefficient. But - you know - I was quite young and if any old man came to me and would have said: "Instead of playing and scripting for CS2D, you could read this completly boring book, thats way more efficient for being successful in life." Then I would not have read that. The real question is: Why did I like CS2D more than boring books?
Yes, that's true because the book was not for you, It was not for your age, It was hard, boring for you but what if they were made in a fun, simple, and entertaining way? You might like to read them as well.
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Sorry, but you just copied and pasted some generic text about how drugs work. I did read it and also agree as I learned similiar things in school but in my eyes it was unnessecary.
Well, I clearly mentioned the sources of them, They were from the links in the Sources spoiler/block.
user Bowlinghead has written
You often argue that drugs/games (which I refer to addictions now because you agreed with me on the driving fast part) are harmful for the body. But nothing in life is perfect therefore you will never have a perfect health or life. You sound like: if you dont take drugs then you live healthy but that is also wrong (because you need to do sports, etc).
No, There are so you'd be able to have perfect health and life. Also, yes If you don't take drugs then I guarantee you 100% that you will live healthier.
user Bowlinghead has written
Of course you should focus on being healthy, but dont be too oppressive with that. Similiar to perfectionism, etc if that is the only thing you think about, then that is unhealthy for your brain because you try to be someone you never will be.
That's not true, You could be that person. I and many others tried that already, and that worked for most of us.
user Bowlinghead has written
You will never get a perfect life - there will be always moments of stress and bad luck. Also you should never forget: You wont live forever! There is almost no point in living healthy when you die with middle age by a car accident.
No, that's neither true. It's possible for you to get a perfect life, It's possible for you to never or only sometimes have moments of stress and bad luck, According to new studies It might be possible for you to live forever, As we go to the future we will live longer medical advances and accessibility to healthcare facilities will help more to increase the survival rates in various ages, If the future of human longevity is not predetermined, it will depend on human efforts to extend our lifespan. Also, It's very highly probable for you to not die in a car accident.
user Bowlinghead has written
Drugs did help me to become more self-aware and more critical of what others try to tell me/sell me.
It might've done to you, But It also has done damage to your health, to your brain, to your body, to your life. There you've hurt yourself more. Although, Are you sure that drugs helped you? Doesn't seem they did, It may be the opposite and/or other things did.
user Bowlinghead has written
But many modern western entertainment technologies are comparable. Smartphones or social media (everyone is connected || people isolate themself), factory farming (even poor people are able to eat meat || pigs live in bad circumstances and also the meat is filled up with medicial supplies), cinemas/movies (people can easily enjoy a great story || people forget their creativity usually build up by reading books), plastic products (you can create them easy and cheap || environment does change in a bad way).
These are just examples and please build up your own opinion to these topics - these are just hints to show you that many things do have up- and downsides.
I don't really want to go off-topic nor waste more time with that, So simply I'll just leave that. They are all similar to the current topics we're currently discussing about though.
user Bowlinghead has written
All those easy ways of "earning fun" are kinda cheating and their good and bad effects will nullify themself in the best case.
You can actually have fun without any bad side effects and with good side effects.
user Bowlinghead has written
But everyone is addicted, thats why you give childs candy when they did something good (the child is addicted to attention from its parents)
No, not everyone is addicted, a very very few people are not. The reason why most of the children on the planet are addicted to getting attention from their parents is because of either heredity reason or they are taught by somebody somehow to be like that or something like that perhaps not even on purpose, So in the conclusion, they might be addicted to getting attention from their parents, probably not even only their parents. Actually depends on the children's mind what they've learned what they are taught what they know how they think.

user VADemon has written
Compared to social networks, games are:
• multiplayer, a social activity (social networks ARE NOT anymore)
• relieve stress
• require more brain and physical activity than TV
Well, But not all games relieve stress nor require more brain and physical activity than TV, even some of them make you more stressed.
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