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This topic should be closed because we know the reason this was created was just to bring emotions out of people and cause an argument here.

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Every country has a hate pool, that's just how it is.
As you may know, the average user of this forum is not capable of discussing a matter like this in a civilised manner.
Ergo, this thread should be locked.
I'm not sure what this thread even stands for, in my humble opinion, giving attention to haters only fuels them.

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@user DC: Yes sorry for registering at an indie game website also the topic was supposed to be unrelated thats why its in the Off Topic section and i see you started getting mad at the end saying that its a "made up topic with random claims indicating that im a troll" it looked like you just did the same thing you accused me off, made up some random claims in your head and even called me a troll im sorry you feel that way
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I'm just saying that it is weird to pick a community like this one to discuss this topic. You are the one who started to claim things without providing any proof.

How do you know that "most people" (that would be more than 50% of humankind) hate on jews and Israel? Was there a poll on that topic?

How do you know that we would have nothing without Israel?

How can you know that I'm getting mad? (I know first hand that this is a wrong claim)

I need scientific facts sir and I doubt that you can provide them.

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Over 15,000 children have been massacred by Israel, and they've only murdered around 50,000 people. How does this look like to you? That's 30%. This should be alone to clarify why people hate Israel, Imagine what if Russia or China had done this

There is very good reasons to hate both sides

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Over 15,000 children have been massacred by Israel, and they've only murdered around 50,000 people. How does this look like to you? That's 30%. This should be alone to clarify why people hate Israel, Imagine what if Russia or China had done this

There is very good reasons to hate both sides

Germans killed tens of millions of people, including 6 million Jews. Should Germans be hated now? Both Germans and Jews have done lots of good stuff too.

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We're talking about the present—not genocides from a century ago involving people who are no longer alive. Bringing up those past events and placing the blame or actions of people long gone onto those living today doesn’t make sense. It’s like trying to justify or shift focus from what's happening now by dragging in history that no longer reflects the current reality. It does in some cases, although, this is not of them. Comparing current actions to those from centuries ago where all involved are long gone is like excusing a crime today by pointing to a historical crime no one is held accountable for anymore.

The Israel-Palestine situation has been going on for almost a century non-stop now. If anyone's justification of the seizing land is from thousands of years ago, then US should also give up all its land because that's not what they had back then nor did they even exist.

You can't blame the Arabs either, when without their permission, you take people from all over EU and send them to their country (which is Arab-majority). Of course, they wouldn't accept that and any rational person would easily be able to draw the conclusion that'd lead to wars for a very long time.

Imagine now taking millions of the Arabs and Chinese people from the Middle East and East Asia, and put them into U.S. states without the American people's permission, and draw a new map of US more than half of it owned by them instead of the Americans.

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@user Ranu: There is no genocide in Israel. Arabs living in Israel actually have full rights, live a good life and can even become politicians. The problem is Islam which commands to kill all Non Muslims, especially Jews and Christians. Palestine doesn't even exist according to your own book (Quran), this is the ancient land of the Jews.

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@user Ranu: There is no genocide in Israel. Arabs living in Israel actually have full rights, live a good life and can even become politicians. The problem is Islam which commands to kill all Non Muslims, especially Jews and Christians. Palestine doesn't even exist according to your own book (Quran), this is the ancient land of the Jews.

Qur'an is not my book to start with, everything else you said is nowhere near right. It's better to do a bit of research before speaking. They do not even have full rights. You have a country that was Arab-majority but then UN comes and divides the country without the Arabs permission, and gives more than half of their country to a "minority" in it. There is genocide in every way there, I have friends that were inside of Palestine, and friends that have lived in Israel, and have heard all their stories. There is also thousands of articles, videos and reports regarding it even before 2021.

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@user Ranu: So why can Arabs have 30+ countries but Jews cannot have 1? Most Muslim countries became Muslim because they were conquered by Islamic armies in the middle ages. Islam doesn't contribute anything to the modern world today except terrorism. Even if you cite your largest contribution to the world, algebra, one could also argue that the founder of modern general algebra was the Jewish mathematician Emmy Noether.

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@user Ranu: So why can Arabs have 30+ countries but Jews cannot have 1? Most Muslim countries became Muslim because they were conquered by Islamic armies in the middle ages. Islam doesn't contribute anything to the modern world today except terrorism. Even if you cite your largest contribution to the world, algebra, one could also argue that the founder of modern general algebra was the Jewish mathematician Emmy Noether.

Just to start off, I’m Kurdish, and my people have been oppressed by two Arab countries, as well as Turkey and Iran. So I don’t have any bias in favor of Arabs. We still don't have a full country. That said, I still believe it's important to look at the Israel-Palestine situation rationally, regardless of where your personal sympathies lie. Jews can indeed have a country, but why do you take over a land that's not yours and is Arab-majority. Those that signed the UN resolution could've taken them into their countries, why didn't they do that? What would you say if today a UN resolution came and China would take over half of US, how would US respond?

As for algebra, I don’t really care, it's not relevant to this discussion, and I’m not sure where that even came from. From what I’ve heard, it was the Arabs who were among the first to develop algebra.

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@user Ranu: It is the land of the Jews and not the land of the Arabs. Arabs live in Arabia, Jews live in Israel which existed long before Islam even existed. If you are Muslim, do you support your prophets genocide against Jews and Christians?

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1606
That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula."

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@user Ranu: It is the land of the Jews and not the land of the Arabs. Arabs live in Arabia, Jews live in Israel which existed long before Islam even existed. If you are Muslim, do you support your prophets genocide against Jews and Christians?

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1606
That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula."

What are you even bringing this up for? I'm not even Muslim. I'll repeat this again: a thousand years ago, the land that is now the US was not the land of today's Americans. Should the US give it back now? Should US now give back California and Texas and all others back to Mexico? Is that your argument? It's really too weak.

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@user Ranu: Yes, USA was the land of the native Americans, whom people falsely refered to as Indians. Currently the actual Indians from India, the largest English speaking country, are taking over the USA. Armenians were also victims of genocide and ended up dominating USSR and Russia.
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